One of our colleagues explains why leaving Kaiser Permanente was the right career move for her.

I made a career change most ophthalmologists don’t even consider:  I resigned from Kaiser voluntarily after making partner/shareholder.  In an era where solo practitioners are trying to join a bigger organization and new graduates drool over a Kaiser offer, I have found that the “Kaiser way” may not be the “right way.”  

I first joined the Permanente Medical Group fresh out of training and thought how lucky I was to have landed such a coveted position.  Conventional beliefs have it that the Kaiser salary (plus benefits) was significantly higher than what one would be make in private practice or in academia.  Also, I wouldn’t have to work unethically to sell premium lenses or knock on doors for patient referrals.  

While some of these advantages (such as patient referrals) still hold true and are the reasons for Kaiser’s attractiveness to some candidates, let me share some Kaiser “secrets” to provide a clearer depiction of the organization so that one can make an informed career decision.   

For those who are not familiar with the Kaiser system, here is a very abbreviated explanation.  Kaiser Permanente is an HMO, and consists of the Kaiser Foundation Health Plan (the Kaiser insurance) and the Permanente Medical Groups (the Kaiser doctors).  The patients buy the Kaiser insurance and they are only allowed to see Kaiser doctors.  The Kaiser doctors are salaried from the pool of insurance premiums and provide service only to the Kaiser patients.  In the Kaiser model, services are prepaid, so there is no financial incentive or penalty to providing or receiving medical care.  

The first myth I’d like to debunk is “Kaiser’s starting salary is significantly higher than one would make in private practice.”  The way Kaiser sets its salary is that we take the Medscape survey median and add a preset boost.  So for ophthalmology, the Medscape median is 180K, then depending on your region, an additional +/-100K gives an entry-level salary of ~280K for a 1.0 FTE (full-time employee).  This seems substantial to a debt-ridden resident, but one may not understand two key flaws in this number.  First of all, the Medscape salary survey is not accurate:  it is self-reported and it lumps everyone together, so that 180K is very low for a full-time ophthalmologist.  Second, private practice is performance-based, so the more patients you see, the more you will make.  Kaiser makes everyone see a certain number of patients with 30-40% new consults and 60-70% follow-ups.  A Kaiser ophthalmologist could make around 500K in private practice if s/he sees the same number of patients with the same new-to-follow-up ratio.  So Kaiser is actually paying their ophthalmologists 40% less than what they should make.  And Kaiser does not allow for negotiation of compensation. 

The biggest gripe I’ve heard as a chief and experienced as a Kaiser physician is the lack of flexibility or the lack of autonomy.  Clinic, OR, and call schedules are made 6-months in advance.  The clinic template is also preset.  If you want to start clinic a little bit later, that’s not possible.  If you want to leave clinic a little bit earlier, that’s not possible.  If you don’t want to take an hour for lunch, that’s not possible.  If you don’t want to work a full FTE but your center needs you to work a full FTE, that’s not possible.  This rigidity may seem ridiculous but it is what all Kaiser physicians live by.  

The metrics by which a Kaiser physician is evaluated against are somewhat unintuitive.  This is because all specialties use the same metrics, be it ophthalmology or neurology or neurosurgery.  One such metric is a patient satisfaction score (MPS score).  This number comes from a patient satisfaction survey in which only 5 questions out of a 25-question survey pertains to physician performance.  We all know that surveys are prone to survey bias, but Kaiser uses this MPS score as a physician performance score.  Another guideline is “same-day/next-day access”, meaning that a patient requesting a referral is seen the same day or the next day.  This immediate access may make sense for medical subspecialties or general surgery. but for ophthalmology or optometry, it makes little sense.  Having a cataract evaluation tomorrow is not as important as having a cataract evaluation next Wednesday when you have time off of work to go see the ophthalmologist.  But in this example, the physician gets a negative point for tailoring to the patient's preference versus forcing the patient to take the same-day or next-day slot.  To be an all-star Kaiser physician, one simply needs to meet the “same-day/next-day” access and perform the blood pressure/flu shot/colon cancer screening (yes, all ophthalmologists have to give patients the stool occult kit).

I often jokingly compare the Kaiser environment to socialism to my non-Kaiser friends.  There is some truth to this.  Although Kaiser does not push its providers to sell premium lenses or perform costly procedures, there is also no incentive to perform.  One can be a mediocre physician and get the same salary as an overachieving physician, so there is less motivation to do more than mediocre.  Just as one cannot negotiate the salary, incentive pay and annual increases are also predetermined with no room for negotiation.  Lastly, remember that in the Kaiser model, services are prepaid, so there is no financial incentive to provide medial care.  In fact, there is incentive to providing less medical care, because the less care Kaiser gives, the more money Kaiser keeps.  While each visit in private practice generates revenue, each non-visit at Kaiser generates revenue.  So for a condition such as POAG that may generate 3-4 visits annually to the ophthalmologist in private practice, at Kaiser, it is compressed into 1-2 visits.  

There are many physicians who fit the Kaiser model and are happy working for Kaiser. For the newly minted residents and fellows who are wondering if the “Kaiser way” is “the way,” understand that the “Kaiser way” is not “the right way” or “the only way.”  When you are considering your options, don’t be too envious of your Kaiser friends, and don’t assume private practice is “the wrong way."  You have to find what’s the best fit for your personality and your lifestyle and desires.  This article is simply here to provide you with additional information about Kaiser to help you make that decision.  

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  1. U
    Really good to hear information from all different employment models. Thank you for sharing this.
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  2. Myng
    Agree. I'm leaving Kaiser too.
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  3. Myng
    Agree. I'm leaving Kaiser too.
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  4. C.P.64
    It seems like Kaiser owns their doctors and insinuates themselves in their personal lives. Is that what others have found to be true?
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  5. C.P.64
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  6. D.E.5
    General dentist here. Dental is very similar. Corporate figured out there is money involved and they jumped in. They offer part ownership (of course upto 49% only), partnership, franchise etc, but you don't get to call shots. No autonomy. Crazy competition in dentistry and private practices are all struggling. HMO in dental is worse. You gotta either upsell procedures that are not part of coverage or refer them to HMO credentialed specialists who can get reimbursed more. In dental, we have saying, "if a HMO patient shows up, we lose money".
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  7. C.P.64
    Kaiser's Law firm, Buty & Culiano are creating a very corrupt situation at Kaiser. They are forcing employees to have their names on restraining orders against patients who seem to be potential problems. It is being done to me, right now. It is scary!
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  8. C.P.64
    Not only does Kaiser law firm use employee's names as Plaintiffs on false restraining orders, they use actors in court representing the person named on the paperwork as Plaintiff!!
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  9. L.B.11
    Does Kaiser provide tail coverage for malpractice when you leave?
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    • J.P.43 L.B.11
      When I left Kaiser, I was told that tail coverage is provided.
      Which makes it easier for doctors to leave.
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  10. J.P.43
    This is well summarized. I left Kaiser for all the reasons stated. In the last 6 years that I worked at Kaiser, 11 of the 16 surgeons in my department all left Kaiser completely. Two were just out of training, and both left after just one year. The article is correct: Kaiser is a model that rewards clinical mediocrity. There are some "overachievers", but they are rare, and almost none of those stay for a career. I also witnessed some complications of Kaiser surgeons that were absolutely jaw-dropping: Like stapling across the celiac and superior mesenteric arteries during a laparoscopic adrenalectomy, which killed the man, of course. In another case, a surgeon removing a popliteal lipoma completely severed the patient's tibial nerve and popliteal artery...and there was a vascular surgeon watching it all happen! I could give more examples. Many more.
    Kaiser makes an attractive pitch to newly trained doctors, and also attracts burnouts and losers who can't succeed elsewhere. But there is much more to know about this organization than pay and benefits.

    To survive at Kaiser, you have to be willing to just slip into a harness, so to speak. If your harness hurts, or you become overburdened, Kaiser doesn't care. They will simply tell you, "If you don't like it, you can leave".
    Kaiser markets itself as "the nation's largest HMO". But they never claim they are the best. Because they cannot make this claim, it cannot be substantiated, as the Internet is filled with the sad stories of former Kaiser employees and patients. The Kaiser Permanente HMO is a poor business model. Beware about working for this organization.
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    • Wizard of OQ J.P.43
      At any type of organization, I think it's tough when incentives are not aligned. It really is difficult to get frank stories of different employment experiences. Everyone wants to be P.C. or are afraid of retaliation from their former employer. Thank you for the insightful comment.
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  11. B.G.15
    I'm trying to contact someone who is familiar with the Kaiser Mid-Atlantic: Kaiser Permanente Medical Group with an understanding of their policies and practices, peferably an Exec or Family Practitioner.
    I need some info for a lawsuit, to be totally honest. Please contact me if you are interested or can refer me to someone. Many thanks.
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